MicroSummit 2012

[cqdyer]

To the MicroWiki Forum,

As I have noticed, there is a great number of micronations and an equally great number of micronational organisations. Most of these organisations have little to no influence on a global scale. This influence is what could make the macronational community notice micronationalist communities and perhaps even one day recognize us.

I recently had the idea that it may be possible to unite micronations unlike the micronational community has witnessed before. I believe that it is possible to unite the individual intermicronational organisations of the world to create one large assembly of micronations similar to the United Nations. I'm sure plenty of readers will immediately shun this idea because it is not feasible and you may be right. However it is our choice and our choice alone if we are to attempt this feat.

The first choice we must make is to consider this options through debate. We must have a summit to discuss the purposes, rules, and goals of this organisation. This is why I have created a new micronational organisation to facilitate MicroSummit 2012 and unite existing groups of micronations. I encourage you all to take into deep consideration these ideas.

Please visit the MicroSummit 2012 Homepage and the United Micronations Forum

For additional information on the United Micronations please visit the MicroWiki page

[Richard Cunningham]

Been and done it. If you'd bothered researching us at all, you'd have discovered that we have Conferences almost every year. In fact, PoliNation is one. It'd be far better if your name didn't look like a spambot. That makes me mad.

[cqdyer]

I have done research on your conferences and I have not seen much come of them. I believe that more needs to be done in the way of these talks. PoliNaiton is not a bad idea in fact I encourage it however I and I'm sure many other micronations would like to see reform of the way the micronational community conducts its business and I believe that the most effective way of doing this is through consolidation and I see that there is little talk in these conferences on this subject. I apologize if my name looks like a spambot I will change it as soon as possible.

[Überstadt]

Most of what we accomplish is through private communication, not formal conferences. So while your intentions are noble, the current system works fine.

[Kinsovea]

I don't think there is anything wrong right now. if you ever get bored here I would try Micras then.. I just don't see this working out. GUM can do this no need starting something else

[James R. Frisch]

(25-06-2012 07:11 PM)cqdyer Wrote:  I have done research on your conferences and I have not seen much come of them.

You won't see much come of a micronational summit. But I would like to know what makes yours more likely to do anything?
Also, simulationists don't care about recognition & thus would benefit further from PoliNation than the creatively named MicroSummit.

[Havnegade]

(25-06-2012 06:42 PM)St Peters Republic Wrote:  Been and done it. If you'd bothered researching us at all, you'd have discovered that we have Conferences almost every year. In fact, PoliNation is one. It'd be far better if your name didn't look like a spambot. That makes me mad.

Oh stop. He is new here and has had no previous contact with us. I am growing quite tired of those of you shooting the ideas down of every new person.

Cqdyer is a fine name. If you payed some attention, you would see it is a combination of his name, Cedric Dyer. God, just stop...

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(26-06-2012 02:48 PM)James R. Frisch Wrote:  

(25-06-2012 07:11 PM)cqdyer Wrote:  I have done research on your conferences and I have not seen much come of them.

You won't see much come of a micronational summit. But I would like to know what makes yours more likely to do anything?
Also, simulationists don't care about recognition & thus would benefit further from PoliNation than the creatively named MicroSummit.

Not all of us are simulationists. MicroSummit is a poor name, but give him a chance. I am sure you and Rich want the same thing for that new PROSP-R project you are planning.

[James R. Frisch]

(26-06-2012 07:28 PM)Havnegade Wrote:  Not all of us are simulationists. MicroSummit is a poor name, but give him a chance. I am sure you and Rich want the same thing for that new PROSP-R project you are planning.

Obviously not all of us are simulationist. But those who are would benefit further from PoliNation. Basing an entire summit around secession loses a great number of people, but those that are left still can go. Also, I wasn't making an entire point about the name. It just isn't creative. Finally, of course me & Rich want the same thing, but I don't see how that matters to this particular argument.

[Senya]

(26-06-2012 07:28 PM)Havnegade Wrote:  Cqdyer is a fine name. If you payed some attention, you would see it is a combination of his name, Cedric Dyer. God, just stop...

Considering that the user in question has had no prior contacts with this community and has not yet announced his/her name in this thread, which lie this user's only posts. So, how do you know that? :s:agree::trollface::huh::fredfacespin:

[Richard Cunningham]

I don't remember anybody shooting down anybody's ideas previously. the idea smacked of no research, but seeing that i was wrong, I'll apologise. The name, as Barnaby just put forward, cannot be easily seen. has he set up a thread in the 'Introduce yourself' thread? No. thats why i didn't know. So how about you untwist your knickers and stop complaining, eh?

[Craitman]

His name looks less spambot-y than Sörgel's, if you ask me. But yeah, any sort of research would have shown that quite a lot has actually come from the organisation of micronational conferences, summits and exhibitions up to now...

[cqdyer]

Well, seeing that this topic is quite unpopular I think that I will just leave you with a final thought. You all have legitimate concerns and I too share your concerns of the organisation becoming "yet another micronational organisation". I feel that GUM has an excellent base of which we can build from yet it is just that a base. I believe that GUM could be far more effective in the work it does and expand to cover a much more broad spectrum. This could easily come through simple reforms however this is quite unlikely seeing as when reforms are called for negative outcomes generally result (like the dissolution of the OAM).

The name I chose I agree is quite generic yet it accurately represents what it is. One could not mistake it with anything else. Besides this PoliNation is not that great of a name. I would still like to hold a talk on this forum even if the idea of consolidating micronational organisations under one will not happen. I feel that discussing the topics I have planned would be beneficial and may shed light on both our week and strong points.

Thank you.

Information:

Name: Cédric Dyer
Age: 20
Born: 5.5.92
Original Nationality: Canadien
Currenty Nationality: Germainien
Native Language: Français (Québécois)

*If you need any other information to verify my existance and that I am not a spambot feel free to ask.

[James R. Frisch]

The fact that you're not advertising Viagra or stuff like that tells us you're not a spambot. You're in the safe zone, but you should make a post in Introduce Yourself.

[Richard Cunningham]

Believe me mate, we know that PoliNation isn't the greatest name in the book... :p Still better than nothing :D

[demontux]

Indeed. But I'm not going to complain or George will bust my kneecaps with a hammer.

[Mark II]

I believe that Mr. Dyer's ambitions to further the influence of the micronational community and its many organizations are noble, and that there was not an appropriate reception of him in this topic. Remind ourselves that he is new and has ALOT of potential, and that many comments made to him in this thread are strongly innapropriate.

Mr. Dyer, I wish your new organization the best of luck, despite the ignorant thoughts and comments of many. Freedomia and myself will help in any way we can, because I believe this can work with a little bit of hard work. :)

[Richard Cunningham]

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it won't work. I was caught a little off guard by the name and the topic we see so many times. I just think it will take a lot more work to get more recognised than the ones we currently have standing today. many have tried, and all have failed. best luck to you, but you are treading on the bones of organisations who did not make it....

[cqdyer]

(29-06-2012 09:26 PM)St Peters Republic Wrote:  Don't get me wrong, I don't think it won't work. I was caught a little off guard by the name and the topic we see so many times. I just think it will take a lot more work to get more recognised than the ones we currently have standing today. many have tried, and all have failed. best luck to you, but you are treading on the bones of organisations who did not make it....

I fully understand the hurdles I will have in my way but I believe that it can be done. I don't expect much support for my ideas at first but I believe once organisation like GUM and the members of the former OAM have seen and heard my intentions they may come together to work towards the goals I plan to set using these talks. If you would I would like your help to spread the word of these talks so there can be a more diverse audience for not only me but every other delegation which takes part.

Thank you.

[CaseyHamlin]

Firstly, I am Casey Hamlin, President of the Hamlinian Republic and Former Secretary-General of the Inter-Micronational Treaty Organization (IMTO) and welcome to the community. This is a great idea, but I thought I'd let you know the risks, and since you already seem to know about OAM, here is the other organization fail story. *Sits in front of fireplace, puts on glasses, opens book and reads*. Once upon a time, the IMTO was created. The IMTO was a disaster founded by someone who shall not be named (as not to re-start old arguments) and was brought up to prominence by nations who had no idea what they were doing, who in turn were led by several people who also had no idea what they were doing. By the time I rolled around, there were only a few members, most of which were inactive, and I had to dissolve it (in what turned into a very, VERY sticky situation for me). In summary, if you want to know what NOT to do if you're looking for success, study the IMTO. Just thought I'd let you know what happened to the other, not OAM organization before you made a final decision, and I wish you luck in your endeavor, you're gonna need it.

[Cajak]

Considering the discussion, I'd like to intervene as well.

Many things were said, including examples of disgraced unions, how this intermicronational organisation should work, and also why/how it would, or would not, work. Personally, it saddens me to see that the same discussion, with the same words and aims, took place many other times in the past four years I've been involved in micronationalism. Because of this, I've come to the conclusion that unless the scheme changes, this project is likely to collapse due to people not caring about it.

Ah, but bear in mind that with "scheme", I don't mean your project in particular, but rather, the general view and opinion of intermicronational organisations.

I believe the aims and intentions are good, and the fact that you've checked other organisations is excellent as well, but we're forgetting that the main reason why it could be an impractical idea is because intermicronational organisations currently do not hold power whatsoever. They're not like the UN, where sanctions can be enforced. In case an intermicronational organisation condemns a fellow state, this one is likely to just leave and forget about it. This must be the change you need to work on.

So, in a few words, it's all about the "presence" of said organisation in the life of its members, trust me. And this can be both in virtual and real life. :asd: I'm very interested in your project, so keep me updated please!

Ah, si tu veux continuer cette discussion, on peut aussi en parler en privé avec un peu de français. ;)

p.s Moved to "Serious Business" as the conversation is not about a meetup but rather a project, and an interesting one imho.